Two Views of Trump/MAGA Fascism. Two Very Different Paths Forward.

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Sam and Mark discuss the Trump regime’s escalating fascist project—from moves to subvert the elections and ICE withholding detainees’ locations to the normalization of Trump on the world stage.

Mark provides commentary on two drastically different ways of understanding Trump and MAGA, why telling the truth about the fascist nature of what we face matters, and how those different understandings lead to very different conclusions about what it will take to defeat it.

Sam also shares a conversation with sociologist Marty Oppenheimer about how the “new,” shiny, postwar reunified Germany came to simultaneously suppress opposition to genocide while accepting the second rise of fascism in the AfD.

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AP Exclusive: ICE hides locations of thousands of detainees with final removal orders

The Supporters Urging Trump to Declare Martial Law for the Midterms – The Atlantic 

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US government foots bill for television advertisement featuring Trump’s midterm messaging 

Defending the Vote—and Defeating Fascism 

Stealing Elections, American Style 

  
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