Episode 278
Sam and Mark discuss the recent events in the Twin Cities including the murder of peaceful observer Alex Pretti that came one day after a historic Day of Truth and Freedom that shut down the city and brought tens of thousands into the streets in sub zero temperatures, and the response that is required across the country.
Recommended:
- Testimony from witness to Alex Pretti’s murder
- Statement from Alex Pretti’s parents
- ‘This is what fascism looks like’: terror in Minneapolis reminiscent of civil war by David Smith
- We ran high-level US civil war simulations. Minnesota is exactly how they start by Claire Finkelstein
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Episode 278 Murder is the Message: Trump’s Gestapo in Minnesota
Sun, Jan 25, 2026 7:38PM • 33:47
Sam Goldman 00:23
Welcome to Episode 278 of the Refuse Fascism podcast, a podcast brought to you by volunteers with Refuse Fascism. I’m Sam Goldman, one of those volunteers and host of the show. Refuse Fascism works to unite all who can be united in mass, relentless, nonviolent resistance to drive the Trump fascist regime from power before we get into it. I want to thank everybody who rates and reviews the podcast, picks up merch, supports us on Patreon and subscribes on sub stack that support really does make this work possible.
If you’re listening and you don’t do those things yet after listening to today’s show will be a good time to do so, rate the show, grab some merch, become a patron or subscribe on sub stack. It really helps keep building this platform and building this movement to drive out the Trump fascist regime. Today, I’m talking with one of the producers of the show, Mark Tinkleman, about this week. Mainly, we’re going to dive into the latest murder in Minnesota by Trump’s ICE gestapo, and what this represents in terms of the advance of fascism and in terms of the power of the people to stop it. So I want to welcome Mark. Welcome. Thanks for coming back on.
Mark Tinkleman 01:45
Hi. So glad to be here, as always.
Sam Goldman 01:47
Let’s get into this. First, what happened yesterday morning, Saturday, January 24 in Minnesota.
Mark Tinkleman 01:54
I don’t think we need to get too deep into the details, considering there’s like seven different videos from different angles that show exactly what happened, and if you want to see them, you can.
Sam Goldman 02:05
I’d argue people should see them. [MT: Yes, absolutely.] It’s awful to watch them, but I feel like Alex deserves it, and future deserves that we actually confront this.
Mark Tinkleman 02:15
I agree wholeheartedly. A number of, it seems like Border Patrol agents, although Border Patrol and ICE have been in many ways, interchangeable in this situation, but it seems they attacked a group of people who were observing, including Alex, as they were getting out of the street. One of these agents brutalized one of the women that was with him. He tried to help her up, and they attacked him, I don’t know, six or seven agents piling on, brutalizing using pepper spray.
Then one of them, who you can see in some of the videos, very clearly, it seemed calmly, pulled out a gun and shot him execution style… after which, I don’t know if it was the same cop, where others joined in, in pumping his, probably dead body already, full of bullets. This is something that needs to really be reckoned with in a deep way by everyone living in this country. I don’t know exactly what else to say about what happened. We’re going to get into a lot of the response and a lot of other parts of this. But is there anything you wanted to add that I’m missing?
Sam Goldman 02:37
No. I think there was the report… a woman that was on the scene who is a resident of the Whittier neighborhood in Minneapolis, Minnesota, which you have to note, wasn’t that far from where Renee Good was nailed, reported that she was getting ready to go to work. She heard whistles outside. She knew that whistles meant that ICE agents were in the area, so she went to see it on her way to work, where she’s been participating in the community and documenting what ICE is doing to her neighbors.
She drove to where she heard the whistles coming, and she reported that she saw a man acting to help traffic move more smoothly, that he helped her find a place to park, that she got out with her whistle and her camera, that she went over to him and said something like, I’m going to film and use my whistle, that it seemed like more ICE activity was happening, you know, slightly farther down the street that she recorded, that there was an agent in his car across the street, and observers knew nearby that people were blowing their whistles, that she and the man were helping direct traffic.
There was a phone in the man’s hand recording a video that an agent approached him and asked them to back up. So she moved slowly back onto the sidewalk, and the man stayed in the street, filming as the other observers were being forced backward by another ICE agent threatening them with pepper spray. The man went closer to support them as they got threatened, just with his camera out. Then the ICE agent shoved one of the other observers to the ground. She then goes on to talk about that this man was Alex. She emphasizes that she didn’t see Alex touch any of them. He wasn’t even turned toward them. It didn’t look like he was trying to resist, just trying to help the woman up after the incident, she submits the video that she recorded.
Her statement includes: “I have read the statement from DHS about what happened and it is wrong. The man did not approach the agents with the gun. He approached them with a camera. He was just trying to help a woman up and they took him to the ground. I feel afraid only hours have passed since they shot a man right in front of me, and I don’t feel like I can go home because I heard agents were looking for me. I don’t know what the agents will do when they find me. I do know that they’re not telling the truth about what happened. I’ve heard that other witnesses might have been arrested.” We’ll share the full statement in the show notes. But I just think that’s important.
Sam Goldman 04:03
One place to start, from there, is something that I think everyone knows on some level. This is exactly what ICE was sent into Minnesota to do.
Mark Tinkleman 05:43
I do think that that’s a really important point. Can we just talk a little bit about Alex, the man that they shot [MT: absolutely] and his parents’ statement? Because I do think that it’s important.
Mark Tinkleman 06:05
Yeah, we have learned some things about him. I do want to say off the top that Alex Pretti seems like a really good person and was doing something really good. If that wasn’t the case, we should still be exactly as angry as we are right now.
Sam Goldman 06:19
That’s what I said to you yesterday. I was like, he could have been a jerk. He wasn’t,
Mark Tinkleman 06:23
As far as we know. But at the same time, it matters who he was, because that’s exactly who ICE is targeting — somebody who is out doing… specifically in the act of helping their neighbors, of resisting ICE. Even if that’s taking the form in the immediate sense of just filming them. Going up against this whole regime, and doing it clearly out of a place of love and respect for other human beings. That’s exactly the target of ICE, and it’s exactly the target of the regime. That that really matters. Was there any more details that you wanted to…
Sam Goldman 06:56
It’s the point of this is someone who was an ICU nurse. Alex is 37 years old. The videos that are going out of like who he was as a person and things he did as a nurse that showed the kind of compassion that went beyond his job or regular duties, I think, are worth looking at. People have have talked about: Everyone knows an Alex, or: Everyone has an Alex in their life. I hope so, in this society. I don’t think we can guarantee that everyone has, you know, such a caring, compassionate person in their life. I really appreciated his parents statement. There was so much goodness in their statement.
So the parents of Alex Pretti, the man who was murdered by federal immigration enforcement, excuse me. [MT: Throw up a little bit in your mouth when you say…] Yeah, immigration enforcement… in South Minneapolis yesterday morning, this is what his parents wrote… I do need to feel like mentioning that an online fundraiser was set up to help his family, and as of late last night, they had already raised $230,000. This is what they wrote: “We are heartbroken, but also very angry. Alex was a kind hearted soul who cared deeply for his family and friends and also the American veterans who he cared for as an ICU nurse in the Minneapolis VA Hospital. Alex wanted to make a difference in this world. Unfortunately, he will not be with us to see his impact.
I do not throw around the hero term lightly. However, his last thought and act was to protect a woman. The sickening lies told about our son by the administration are reprehensible and disgusting. Alex is clearly not holding a gun when attacked by Trump’s murdering and cowardly ICE thugs. He has his phone in his right hand, and his empty left hand is raised above his head while trying to protect the woman ICE just pushed down, all while being pepper sprayed. Please get the truth out about our son. He was a good man. Thank you.” It’s just worth taking that in, and I wanted to maybe take this as an opportunity to talk about what is the regime saying.
Mark Tinkleman 09:00
Yeah, let’s get into what these lies were, but more importantly, why they’re being told what they mean. [SG: What they serve, I feel like is an important part to get into.] They are Bovino, Kristi Noem, and I believe at this point, Trump has also said something explicit to the effect that Alex approached the ICE agents, which already is a lie, with a gun and and was clearly out to massacre, is the word that Greg Bovino used — massacre these agents.
Sam Goldman 09:32
It was very similar to the language that Noem used, because she said, Nobody comes to a protest with a weapon. [MT: right] Even though he had a license to… you’re allowed to conceal carry.
Mark Tinkleman 09:43
Yeah, he was perfectly within his rights to do, and it’s something that in other contexts, these exact same people celebrate people for doing, carrying weapons.
Sam Goldman 09:47
Not just carrying them, but actually going out and killing people like Kyle Rittenhouse.
Mark Tinkleman 09:56
Exactly. On one level, there are even more angles, and even clearer footage here than there was with the murder of Renee Good by Jonathan Ross. Honestly, I think that that may have put them on their back foot for a moment, but they came in swinging. Once they began to make their statements, they came in swinging. So one baseline, these are lies. They’re absolute lies. Noem also said, after some of the comments you just said, she was talking about the protesters that showed up after, and how they had gas masks, and that means that it’s some conspiracy, some big conspiracy, big terrorist conspiracy, echoing the language from NSPM 7, trying to lay more groundwork for legally, essentially dehumanizing everyone who stands up to them, as part of a domestic terrorist organization.
Sam Goldman 10:42
Because everyone anyone who stands up to them is inherently criminal.
Mark Tinkleman 10:42
Exactly. I do want to say one more thing about NSPM 7 , and this goes back to the statement that this is exactly why they came to Minnesota; this is what they came for. And that’s not to diminish the fact that they also came to brutalize and terrorize immigrant communities. They did that also. [SG: Very much so.] This is not a distraction. That’s not a distraction from this. These are a coherent program, that they are coming. But they are explicitly coming to these places in order to gun down their opposition. I think that that needs to be made clear; that this is not an excess. This is not one of them gone rogue. This is actually just the beginning of what they are planning to do, and it’s exactly what they’re planning to do.
Sam Goldman 11:32
I think that them lying about him and them lying about what happened comes from the same place as their lies about them eating the cats and eating the dogs in Ohio. We should hear it in that same voice of: They’re infesting our country — because it too is in the service of an ethnic cleansing. At the same time, it’s in the service of defying all sense of truth and reality, and I think that both are important.
Mark Tinkleman 12:04
That’s important. I think it gets to something. Because there is the level of lies. There’s also another level, which comes from the same thing as when Nazis could say that they never hurt anyone because they didn’t believe that the people they were hurting were human beings.
Mark Tinkleman 12:24
This gets to just this other side, because they’re telling these lies so that their base believes them, is part of it, but they’re also like telling on themselves in the way that they are describing all of this. For some reason, when Vance says, I feel like I see it more clearly — I don’t even know how to describe what he is — but they really believe that these people don’t matter, that they don’t have any rights. Clearly, they don’t have any constitutional rights. We should be allowed to conceal carry. We should be allowed to go wherever we want without any accountability, with whatever arms, whatever weapons, whatever violence, we want, but the people who are not us, no, they shouldn’t have a single right.
No, none of this applies to them. And it includes a white man like Alex Pretti, when it comes down to it — somebody who is standing up for their neighbor. One of the ways that we can see the premeditated nature, that this is why they went to Minnesota, is to do this kind of thing, is in NSPM 7, which was a memo issued by Trump a few months back. It’s a National Security Presidential Memorandum, and the title is Countering Domestic Terrorism and Organized Political Violence. They are trying to create a story that justifies this total submission and even elimination of their enemies, of anyone who stands up to them, [Sam: Anyone who opposes them.] anyone who opposes them.
People should really be paying attention to this. It’s not a law or anything. It’s a memo sent out by the White House that’s basically telling all of these agencies that their mission is to create an alternate reality where anyone who shows up to a protest is part of a vast conspiracy; a terrorist conspiracy. That anyone who simply doesn’t abide, doesn’t cooperate… it’s similar to the training that, you know, the warrior cop training that that has been going around for the past few decades, that I think was exposed, really, in 2020 — although I think it’s still happening — where trainers, people who are there to train police and who are hired by police departments to train them, they are going and telling police officers explicitly that you are in a war zone, and everyone that you come across is an enemy. That is on one level, and they’re trying to do that as national policy. That’s really important to get down to, to understand that.
Mark Tinkleman 14:33
That’s such an important point.
Sam Goldman 14:40
One hundred percent. I think there’s a lot more that we could do on that topic and we should do on that topic. I will say that NSPM 7 goes beyond even action. They’re calling anybody who opposes the regime a domestic terrorist, so that they can do anything they want to them and to eliminate any form of dissent. But it also goes beyond that, because it says that anybody who has any sort of idea that challenges the traditional family or challenges capitalism or challenges American mythology, or even if you listen to somebody who shares those views, that you, just by virtue of questioning or listening to someone else question, you are engaged in a violent act. That should make alarm bells go off and tell us, really, about what time it is.
But I wanted to return to this particular murder to kind of talk about some themes that are happening here and that are happening in a broader way. I’ll just say a few of them that I see, and if you want to comment on any that you see fit, that would be great. One is that people are talking about, like: Now they’re going too far — or like: Wow, things are really going overboard here — or: He’s really lost it. I just feel like it’s really important that people get that this is the momentum in the fascism — that this is the direction, that the longer that this regime stays in power, you are going to see much more of this. This is the beginning of what they are going for.
Your choices are, either you’re allowing that or you’re stopping it. It really is, on one level, to me, just that simple. Masha Gessen writing for the opinion piece for The New York Times, definitely in a piece that has problems, in my opinion, nonetheless, they are giving the warning that state terror has arrived. I just wanted to share this one quote about that, which is: “President Trump is using all the instruments, the reported quotas for ICE arrests, the paramilitary force made up of thugs drunk on their own brutality, the spectacle of random violence, particularly in city streets, the postmortem vilification of the victims. It’s only natural that our brains struggle to find logic in what we are seeing.
There is a logic, and this logic has a name. It’s called state terror.” We need to look to the right examples of what that state terror is going for. And in the service of which we talked about earlier [MT: fascism] in our discussion, fascism! In Ruth ben Ghiat’s new newsletter, she provided some really helpful pictures and reminders of previous fascist projects and the frightening parallels, or the parallels that should frighten us. She wrote: (I’m not going to read it word for word, but) the behavior of Trump’s Gestapo, of ICE and CBP called to her mind that fascist black shirts who came in trucks armed with clubs and knives and guns and castor oil to subjugate towns in early 1920s Italy, before Benito Mussolini declared dictatorship.
She writes that the original fascists, ICE agents, want their violence to be public. They want the world to understand that anyone who challenges their authority and occupation of public space can be taught a lesson, humiliated — parading their victims around in their underwear was a fascist specialty, too — or eliminated. The more that we understand this isn’t aberration. This isn’t them going too far. This isn’t any of that. This isn’t even hypocrisy, which people say: Oh, they’re against… they killed Alex, but they reify the Kyle Rittenhouses. Kyle had a gun, and not only did he have a gun, he shot people, he killed people, and now he’s a hero. Ashley Babbitt storms the Capitol, was part of a coup attempt and was killed in the process, that she should be a martyr. I think that there’s what the hypocrisy obscures. They don’t have universal principles about gun rights in this sense that they they have a universal principle of raw power, brute force.
Mark Tinkleman 19:00
Their principle is that they win. [SG: exactly] No matter whether it’s free speech, they could talk about speech or the press, no matter what, their only principle is that they win. And by they, that comes with a lot of a lot of… there’s a whole package of misogyny and white supremacy and xenophobia and America first, but it boils down to: We win — in any kind of tactical, you know, scenario. What you’re talking about is really important. I think that nobody who’s seeing this and is appalled by this feels like this is like an exception, like this is, you know, an isolated incident. If you think this is an isolated incident, then you’re probably not listening to this podcast. [SG: right]
But I do think that it’s really important, because people see these things and they know that there’s context. A lot of people have a feeling of context. A lot of people have ideas about what that context is, but I think we actually have to get into what it is. There’s two ways to contextualize the murders of Alex Pretti and Renee Good. One way is to use the context of the whole history of this country, of state violence in this country — to use that context to root you, to gain a deeper understanding, or even a beginning understanding, of the actual systems and structures that brought us to this place, what those systems and structures do to people all over the world; and what needs to happen to uproot all of them. That’s one way to be contextualize it.
There’s another way, that we’ve seen pop up whenever some outrage gets beyond just the usual suspects getting into the streets and protesting, it’s a way of contextualizing, using all of that context, all of the other horrendous crimes of these fascism and all the horrendous crimes of the system to normalize. To say: Oh, they’re going after this guy now? police always kill people. Oh, border patrol always kills people, and then stop. It’s really important, what you were saying earlier, what you were bringing from Masha Gessen, that there have been historical parallels and historical precedents that are setting the stage for what’s happening now, from the police in this country to the Klan, to the Gestapo. [SG: Not in this country.]
No, I’m saying that it’s not just this country… [SG: Right, yeah yeah.] to the death squads that largely the U.S. unleashed on Central and South America. There are very important lessons to be learned from all of those historical parallels and the way that they have brought us to this place. We have to use all of those lessons in a way that roots the anger that I think we should be feeling right now to take action, to bring other people into this and to stop it.
Sam Goldman 21:30
We were talking earlier, you said something about the radical shift that the federal law enforcement has gone under the weight they’re viewed or they function.
Mark Tinkleman 21:40
One thing that I think is really important is I’ve seen some tapes that are talking about how ICE is the descendant of slave catchers. I want to start by saying that the police in this country are generally the descendants of slave catchers. But one thing that’s scary about ICE, and scary about the role that federal law enforcement is taking under Trump is that in the history of this country, the front lines of white supremacy have been often the local and state police.
It has been the case that the federal law enforcement — I’m not going to exonerate them in any way — but has been the cooler head, the ones that people can appeal to to come and say: Oh yeah, there’s some people’s civil rights are being violated, and then probably not do anything about it, but play a role of trying to keep this country together, in a certain sense, trying to ameliorate and mitigate the horrors that are happening on the front lines of white supremacy. The fact that Trump is specifically building up and transforming the federal law enforcement apparatus to be the frontline fighters for his fascist America, it should actually scare us that there is something unprecedented here, though. Ideologically, absolutely, they’re the descendants of the Confederacy, the descendants of slave catchers and such, and of former iterations of border patrol and ICE.
Sam Goldman 22:27
I think that’s helpful, and also, we’ve talked about what happened, who it happened to, what the regime is saying and what that tells us. I don’t think it’s nothing that this happened a day after a truly massive outpouring saying, ICE Out Now; where there was a strike, where, you know, the airport had like 100 clergy arrested, you know, where unions brought people out, where businesses shut down, where they filled a stadium with protesters demanding ICE OUT. [MT: Unions got involved.]
Yeah, I think was like 75,000 people in the streets, and then tens of thousands in the streets and other cities in acts of solidarity. I don’t think that that’s that’s nothing, and I think that we’re seeing a lot of talk about a civil war shaping up. In fact, there’s a Guardian piece by David Smith. This is What Fascism Looks Like; Terror in Minneapolis, Reminiscent of Civil War. There was another piece in The Guardian by Claire Finkelstein, who did an exercise in 2024 as part of her role in the Center for Ethics and the Rule of Law at UPenn, which she directs, her piece. As we run high level U.S. Civil War simulations, Minnesota is exactly how they start. I just think it’s worth talking a little bit about that.
Mark Tinkleman 24:26
We sort of set some bigger picture historical context, so it’s good to go from the bigger context to the specific context, especially the way that things are shaping up within the fascist movement, where the NRA is peeling off in certain ways and allowing itself to voice opposition over what it exists to do. Then, also, divisions between the federal and state level governments, where [the Governor of Minnessota] Waltz, where [the Mayor of Minneapoplis] Frey are continuing to make some big statements, statements that matter in relation to this, and also continue doing to maintain their police and their National Guards directed against protesters, as opposed to directed against ICE. We’re seeing across this country, the battle lines of an ideological civil war that’s not just divided between South and North, but that has divisions running through every single state of the union. We have to take it that seriously. You know what I mean?
Sam Goldman 25:23
I think the point of people… this not even being on people’s radar, of what this could uncork, let me be clear, negatively right now, is the direction. Yeah, I think that it’s really important the divisions that exist between, in this case, state, city and the federal government, which right now exists more on rhetoric, and are a difference in view of how to solve this than they are in action [MT: How to maintain order.] or positioning to do anything. I just want to be clear.
But there’s also important divisions, where more people are like speaking out and fracturing, including people that have been supportive of the regime in carrying out tasks of the regime in the past. I don’t think that is, again, separate from the actions of the people, that this is deeply unpopular, and people that are a part of, or have made their careers in the stability of the United States, this is definitely sending alarm bells off for that. Someone like John Mitnick had tweeted — so that tells you his politics, tweeting — I’m joking, kind of, but not really — Yesterday, he quote tweeted George Conway, who was writing about the brutality… George, had written: “The deadly shooting in Minneapolis today was a straight up execution of a protester by Trump’s federal brown shirts.
The thugs wrestled him to the ground. They pistol whipped him, they shot him multiple times. They murdered him.” Goes on to like, indict him. John Mitnick, quote, tweeted with this: “I helped to establish DHS in 2002 and 2003 and later had the Homeland Security portfolio as a White House Counsel and served as general counsel of the department. I am enraged and embarrassed by DHS’s lawlessness, fascism and cruelty. Impeach and remove Trump Now. “
Mark Tinkleman 27:10
He worked for Trump one, right?
Sam Goldman 27:14
Right. I’m saying all of this to talk about: That’s a huge deal! [MT: right] I’m not saying, like: Oh, we sit back and we go: [claps hands] Please take care of it — but that this is actually a moment where the intervention of the people, the power of the people, the nonviolent actions of the people, with the right demand that measures up to what we face, could actually cleave some of the people, for their own reasons and own interests, to legitimately remove the regime. [MT: Right. This is a moment.] This is a moment of tremendous danger, and I don’t want to understate that.
We have the tremendous danger with the regime threatening Greenland. We have tremendous danger with the regime abducting children like Liam, using them as bait to abduct their families. Tremendous danger, with the erasure of history, with them coming into Philadelphia and taking out the slavery exhibit, which people should watch Mark’s video on that on our Instagram. This is a moment of tremendous danger, and we are seeing things that are telling us that we can create some serious hope through our action. We saw that with the people taking the streets in Minnesota and nationwide in support of Minnesota.
We saw that in people coming back into the streets in Minnesota yesterday, and they’re going to be back out tonight after this murder. We saw this in people taking the streets around the country, you know, at least a thousand in New York City after this murder. Yes, there should be much, much more, and there needs to be much, much more, but we all play a role in making that happen. So I just wanted to give you the opportunity to speak more about that.
Mark Tinkleman 28:59
Right now, one thing that you didn’t even mention regarding the danger and the necessity that the regime faces is them trying to lock down the whole Western Hemisphere right now. The connection between people’s outrage over this murder and the whole program of this fascist regime — this is the Nexus where things can actually move, and the potential exists for people to rise up in nonviolent, sustained action, making this country essentially ungovernable in a way that effects all the way through all of the fractures and all of the fault lines of this regime, of the “opposition” that has stayed loyal [to] the Democratic Party, largely, and between the regime and numbers of their supporters.
Our action to demand that the regime must go and our action in pursuit of driving this regime from power, that can reverberate all the way through all of those fault lines, all of those fractures. I think this is the one viable demand that could actually set us on a different course right now.
Sam Goldman 30:08
That’s really important. Every time the fascists kill — and I don’t say that because I hope that more lives get lost, or that I don’t care about human life. But the reality is, this is where things are heading. When they steal from humanity, that we come back, not just a hundred stronger or thousand stronger, but that we replace each one with millions more in the streets. Yes, we need organization, and yes, we need people to take action on their own, and we can’t allow our rage to be funneled into elections.
We should take inspiration from the people, the children and people in the in the concentration camp in Texas who are protesting for liberty and freedom. We should be taking our inspiration from the people of Minnesota, but we need to be raising the only demand that is capable of ending this nightmare — to stop ICE terror, to stop any of the crimes of this regime, the whole regime needs to be stopped. The whole regime needs to be removed, and the more that we find our power together in the streets, in our nonviolent refusal, mass non-cooperation, and mass defiance — to refuse to let them have the future, to refuse to let them steal any more lives, to refuse to allow them to terrorize our neighbors, to stake claim on our children’s future and our grandchildren’s future.
The more that we steel ourselves in each other and our power together to wrench the future from these fascists, the more hope we create, the more space we we have to resist. Because the longer they stay in power, the less chance it is to stop this [MT: The harder it is.] Yeah, the harder, the more dangerous it is to stop this. So that’s where we end for today, and we’ll be having more to say on our social media. We already do have more to say on our social media feed, so be sure to go to wherever you follow us, and if you don’t, follow us, @RefuseFascism. Thanks Mark for joining me in this conversation.
Sam Goldman 30:52
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