Episode 294
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This week, Sam talks with one of the organizers from the Refuse Fascism chapter in NYC about ongoing protests at the site of the Delaney ICE facility in New Jersey, where hundreds of captives have been on a hunger and labor strike since May 22.
Mentioned in this episode:
Juan Proaño: They Call Them “Aliens” So You’ll Forget They’re People
Refuse Fascism: White House Launches Genocidal Website
Associated Press: Alarming surge in suicides among ICE detainees, investigation reveals
Don’t Give Up: A Letter From Delaney Hall
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Refuse Fascism Episode 294
Close Delaney Hall – Close Them All
May 31, 2026
Refuse Fascism NYC 0:00
Delaney Hall is a concentration camp where immigrants have been ripped from their homes. People are being held there without due process, without the right to an attorney, without the right to legal counsel. These hunger strikers reasserted their humanity. There’s tremendous courage, there’s tremendous determination. People said: Listen, we feel like we’ve been kidnapped, and we are asserting our humanity. It’s a rallying cry to all the decent people in this country to stand up against this fascism, but fundamentally we have to remove this regime from power.
Sam Goldman 0:53
Welcome to episode 294 of the Refuse Fascism Podcast, a podcast brought to you by volunteers with Refuse Fascism. I’m Sam Goldman, one of those volunteers and host of the show. Refuse Fascism works to unite all who can be united in mass nonviolent resistance in the streets and throughout society to drive the Trump fascist regime from power. This episode marks six years of sounding the alarm, digging beneath the headlines, and amplifying the voices of resistance against this American fascist threat.
This week we’re sharing an interview with Emma Kaplan, a leader of the Refuse Fascism New York City chapter, discussing the hunger strike and protests underway at Delaney Hall in Newark, New Jersey. But first, we want to talk a little bit about developments from this past week as they relate to the interview in this week’s episode, and a little bit on six years of this podcast.
The fascists want people disoriented and demoralized. They want people to believe resistance is futile, that nothing can stop what is coming, that the regime can do whatever it wants, and no one has the power to stop it. This podcast is part of fighting back against that. For six years, we’ve worked to cut through the lies, the normalization, the wishful thinking, and the paralysis. We have brought you voices that tell the truth about what we are facing and what it will take to stop it. We stand up and politically fight for a future in which no human being is enslaved, subjugated, or deemed “illegal” — a future in which both the people and the planet can heal.
For six years, you’ve listened, shared, debated, organized, protested, donated, and now as Trump moves toward consolidating power, and the stakes get even higher, we need you more than ever. Each week, we’ve brought you voices of resistance and clarity to face a threat many still deny or downplay. I want to thank every one of you who’s been with us, whether since day one with Inside With Out Now, or just last week, for refusing to become numb, for refusing to look away, and for refusing to accept a fascist America, and to do so in the name of humanity. Six years ago, this podcast was born out of necessity.
It was never a branding exercise or some hobby we wish to pursue. It was, and remains, an all volunteer effort, one part of building the clarity, the courage, the organization, and determination needed to drive a fascist regime from power. As listeners, you know, we don’t just describe the problem, we challenge people to act. We provide analysis, strategy, resources, history, and inspiration, and models to help people become part of the force that can actually change the political equation.
Over these years, we’ve watched millions of people recognize through nonviolent massive resistance, through people refusing to cooperate, through people taking to the streets in growing numbers, through millions acting together until this regime is no longer able to govern, that something is profoundly wrong. We have seen outrage, courage, and resistance, but we have also seen too many people cling to the illusion that we can ride this out, that we can survive this, that we can slow it down and swing things back with the next election. Too many still see the crisis as a series of outrages to protest or policies to reverse, rather than recognizing the fascist direction, momentum, and qualitative transformation being hammered into place.
The Trump regime and the MAGA movement aren’t simply a threat to be slowed or managed, they must be fully repudiated and politically defeated, now. The Trump fascist regime must be driven from power now. There remains a power still sat on and undermined, underestimated and untapped — the power of millions acting together in relentless, determined, nonviolent resistance demanding Trump Must Go Now; the power to make the country ungovernable by a regime that has lost all legitimacy; the power to create a political crisis that compels and enables those in power to remove this regime through legitimate channels.
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There is something uniquely disturbing about this Trump/MAGA fascism. Past fascists demanded obedience. These fascists demand that you laugh along. They build concentration camps and turn them into memes. They torture people and make reels of it. They package dehumanization into entertainment to be cheered for. The point is not simply to convince people that immigrants are dangerous, the point is to create a society where people can watch human beings being degraded, humiliated, hunted, rounded up, tortured, sent to their deaths, or disappeared, and experience it as a joke. Not because they don’t know what’s happening, because they do.
The absurdity is not separate from the danger. The absurdity is part of the danger, because every joke carries the same message: These people; these people aren’t human. On May 28, Whitehouse.gov launched a truly depraved Aliens website, celebrating the ethnic cleansing of immigrants, comparing actual human beings to sci-fi extraterrestrials. As Jeff Sharlet aptly noted on BlueSky, it was like if Goebbels thought he was funny. The website encourages people to report “suspicious aliens,” jokes about human beings being abducted and returned to their place of origin, and presents mass immigration arrests as a kind of science fiction game.
The website says things like: “they walk among us,” THEY walk among us. A section reads: “They’ve shopped in the same stores, attended the same classes as our children, and lived seemingly normal human existences, with one exception: they do not belong here.” Just think about that: “They do not belong here.” The website refers to immigrants as an “invasion,” affirms the need to deport them all. One of the most dangerous mistakes people make is dismissing the Trump regime’s increasingly grotesque spectacles as merely trolling, merely absurd, merely designed to get attention. Some journalists covered the spectacle, some mocked it, some fact-checked, but too many are focusing on the fungus growing on the trees while the whole forest is on fire. This is a genocidal website.
The United States government website, website of the executive, is seeking to redefine who counts as human. The language of aliens, invasion, infestation is the language of white supremacy, the language of ethnic cleansing, the language of genocide. This isn’t the work of some random internet troll. This is a regime with the most powerful machinery of repression on this planet. When humans are no longer humans, but a creature to be purged, a threat to be reported. It doesn’t take a fascism expert to tell us where this leads. The website itself openly echoes the great replacement theory, the fascist conspiracy theory that powerful elites are secretly replacing the “real” Americans with immigrants and people of color. It presents Trump as the savior who, unlike anyone else, has exposed the conspiracy and is the only one who is rescuing the nation from the invaders.
For more on the great replacement theory and how it is reshaping things in a very, very dangerous direction, listen to our last episode with Dr. Kendi. This development is not a distraction. It is political theater with a purpose: to train millions of people to see other human beings as less than human. It is a chilling, bold declaration that this fascist regime, built on a core pillar of white supremacy, intends to finish the job of purging the country of non-white immigrants, with all the violence and terror that requires. The attacks on Black and brown immigrants are the battering ram of this entire fascist program. They are out to lock into place a country where entire groups of people are stripped of rights, dignity, and eventually the ability to resist.
We’ve gotta be clear, we are already far, far, way too far along that road, having accepted too much. Juan Perano, CEO of LULAC, the oldest and largest Latino civil rights organization in the United States, powerfully wrote on Substack: “You cannot rally a country to round up fathers and grandmothers and coworkers, but you can rally a country to hunt creatures. Every regime that has ever set out to do terrible things to a group of people has started exactly here, by renaming them into something less than human. We have seen where this language leads. We do not get to pretend we don’t know, and the danger does not stop at the people without papers.
A government that deputizes its own citizens to report “suspicious aliens” is asking them to make a snap judgment about who belongs, and we all know what that judgment looks like in practice.” He goes on to write: “call it what it is: an official act of dehumanization — and history is unambiguous about what follows when a state decides that some people aren’t people at all. We name it, we reject it, and we refuse to let anyone, least of all our own government, turn our neighbors into monsters.” Enough. The Trump fascist regime must be driven from power. Our power resides in the millions of people who do not want to live in a fascist America to make manifest in the streets in the demand Trump Must Go Now! through nonviolent massive resistance, through people refusing to cooperate, through people taking to the streets in growing numbers, through millions acting together until this regime is no longer able to govern.
On Friday, May 22, three hundred people detained in the Delaney Hall concentration camp in Newark, New Jersey, began a hunger and labor strike. Their demands included better conditions, food without worms, access to clean and functional bathrooms and showers, the most basic medical care, and more. But their primary demand is simple: freedom from their immoral and illegal detention. For this, they have been beaten and gassed, with an unknown number transferred to other concentration camps in an attempt to break the strike. There have now been nine consecutive days of protests outside the facility to support the strikers inside. Federal agents began brutalizing the protesters almost immediately, but since then the Democratic New Jersey governor sent in state troopers to attempt to maintain order — the order of fascism, the order of an unchallenged concentration camp. These state police set up protest zones to contain the rigid systems and enabled the continued operations of the concentration camp.
But that didn’t stop the state police from committing to brutalize protesters. As of this recording, the progressive Democratic mayor of Newark, Ras Baraka, has announced a curfew covering half a mile in every direction from the camp, he said: “Due to the escalating situation at Delaney Hall and the increasing need for police intervention, immediate action is required to protect public safety. Multiple individuals have already been arrested and found in possession of weapons, underscoring the seriousness of this threat.”
When he mentions individuals with weapons, it seems he’s not talking about the ICE agents, Geo Group employees, state troopers, or anyone else violently carrying out the orders of the fascists in the White House, and it seems that the people illegally detained in this concentration camp don’t count as “the public” whose safety must be protected. Both the governor and the mayor have called for closing the camp, but the actions they are taking are necessary for it to function. They have chosen to be enablers of fascism, but we have our own choice to make. Join the protest at Delaney, take similar action wherever you are, and take this struggle straight to the top. Demand Trump Must Go Now!
These protests, inside and outside, are extremely righteous, they are necessary, and they must level up to take on the exact same thing happening in this regime’s dungeons all across the country. Shutting even one of these facilities would be a huge victory, but if we don’t drive these fascists out of power, the net effect is transferring the same detainees to other facilities, with more camps popping up by the day. If we don’t rise up in our millions demanding the fall of the regime, all of us protesting outside these camps will eventually be protesting inside. That is how fascism works. And the Democratic politicians enabling it today will most likely be in there right beside us tomorrow. So, with that, here is my interview with Emma.
As the Trump regime expands its campaign of mass detention and terror against immigrants, the network of ICE detention facilities, which can only be called concentration camps accurately, continues to grow at a staggering pace. When Trump returned to office, approximately 40,000 people were being held in ICE custody. By early 2026 That number had surged to more than 70,000 detainees, the highest level in U.S. history. The regime transformed warehouses into massive regional, what they call, processing centers, constructing concentration camps capable of imprisoning up to 10,000 people at a time. The infrastructure for mass deportation being built in plain sight.
The human toll has been devastating. At least 48 people have died in ICE custody since Trump returned to office, 18 deaths in 2026 alone, and suicides. Detainees have reported medical neglect, solitary confinement, overcrowding, retaliation, inadequate food and clothing, repeated transfers designed to isolate them from their family, from access to attorneys, and from support networks. This machinery is not simply about detaining immigrants, it’s about punishing, dehumanizing, and terrorizing, sending a message to entire communities: leave, disappear, or risk being swept into a growing network of camps.
That reality is now on display at Delaney Hall in Newark, New Jersey, where up to estimates of 300 detainees have launched a hunger and labor strike to protest conditions inside the facility and demand medical care and release. According to reports, detainees have been threatened with retaliation for participating in the strike outside the facility. Protesters demanding any form of accountability have faced escalating repression as well, federal agents pepper sprayed demonstrators, including U.S. Senator Andy Kim, this past Monday during a confrontation outside the concentration camp. To get into this, I’m so glad to be joined by somebody who’s been on the ground in Newark, outside Delaney Hall, and we’re going to get into what they witnessed, what’s happening inside the facility, and why the struggle unfolding there reveals something essential about the direction of this regime, and the urgent need for millions of people to act before this machinery of repression gets fully locked into place. With that, I want to welcome Emma Kaplan with the Refuse Fascism NYC chapter. Hey, Emma.
Refuse Fascism NYC 9:41
Hi, Sam. Thanks for having me.
Sam Goldman 9:46
I am so glad to be speaking with you, and I was so glad to hear you outside Delaney Hall yesterday. I guess first, for listeners who haven’t been following this: What is Delaney Hall? Why are people protesting there?
Refuse Fascism NYC 12:33
Delaney Hall is a concentration camp, as you correctly said, where immigrants have been ripped from their homes. Many people in Newark, but in other places, where there’s been detention. People are being held there without due process, without the right to an attorney, without the right to legal counsel. Anybody could really be rounded up by ICE and sent here. Doesn’t even matter whether or not you’ve gone through the process, whether or not you’re a citizen or not. This has just been illegitimate roundups and detainment and detention and dehumanization, and you know they describe the conditions of being fed food with maggots in it.
There’s an epidemic of influenza and people getting sick from the draft, and then not having medical attention. It does call to mind the concentration camps and the treatment of Jewish people. They could provide food. It’s not a big deal to provide decent food for people in this country, but there’s something about you don’t deserve anything. It is the logic of preparation for a genocide and a dehumanization. These hunger strikers reasserted their humanity. They wrote these letters, which hopefully we can post on the Refuse Fascism Instagram, where people can read them.
There’s tremendous courage, there’s tremendous determination of people who said: Listen, we feel like we’ve been kidnapped, we came here to this country because our own countries became unlivable, and we are asserting our humanity, and that’s what they’re doing. In their last letter that they wrote a couple days ago, they said: Don’t give up! So I think that determination to fight through, and not just to have better conditions, but to live free, to shut down these concentration camps, and to not live in a world of terror. This has inspired and moved people from the outside to come and take a stand. They have talked about the tremendous heart that it brings them, and seeing people standing up and fighting back.
The determination I think, and the sacrifice, and the urgency that they feel, I think, it’s a rallying cry to all the decent people in this country to stand up against this fascism. Fundamentally, we have to remove this regime from power. That’s a little bit of the lay of land, and I can speak more too about just like what it was like being out there last night, and then the tremendous repression, actually, and brutality that has come down on like a lot of young people who are there — people who came alone…some people had never been to a protest like this before. This was like their second protest, and were coming out to just be like: I cannot take this anymore, and I can’t live with myself if I’m somebody who goes along with it.
Sam Goldman 12:10
I really appreciate that, especially bringing in the voice of those that are on the inside that are really doing the only thing they can at this point to fight for their own humanity, which is a hunger strike. You were out in front of Delaney Hall yesterday. I would love to hear more as you were talking about about the people who are resisting and the spirit outside from the people that are trying to act in solidarity, and the repression. We’re seeing some of it come through on our, on our social media feed, but if you could provide more of the texture of what it’s like on the ground.
Refuse Fascism NYC 15:15
I just wanted to shout out Cosecha and a lot of the local organizations in New York, different immigrants’ rights organizations down there that have been gathering outside of the detention center. There also have been different representatives from the government who have come down, and in fact, there was a congress person that was actually pepper sprayed by ICE, trying to go inside and investigate the conditions there.There’s been people on the ground standing up, and people are very organized. They had goggles, they had gas masks, they had first aid, they had medics.
People were working together to keep each other safe and protect each other. I met this guy, he must have been 22 years old, and he said: I’ve been in here every day. He was like: I’ve been getting beaten down every day, and I don’t care! It’s a lot of heart, there’s like young people singing ‘Give Peace a Chance,’ doing blockades in the road, and it’s a lot of heart, and a lot of moral clarity. The ACLU of Newark actually put out a statement condemning, last night we saw the state troopers that have now joined in ICE with the repression. This is like just days before when the governor was saying: We have to get ICE out, we don’t want federal agents in, so I’m going to send my state troopers in to keep people safe.
What? You’re going to have the state troopers come in and brutally repress people who are nonviolently protesting, and that is protecting the people’s right to free speech. It’s just completely backward. But she’s saying: Oh, if I do the suppression, then Trump won’t come in and do the suppression. No, that’s wrong. Actually, this is collaboration. Every move to repress the protests, to suppress the resistance, strengthens the fascism. It actually strengthens the fascists who actually want to completely purge and eliminate and lock up the Democratic party and put them in those detention centers.
The hypocrisy and the irony of it actually shows the reasons why the Democratic party actually will not lead this fight, and the power of the people. It was brutal. They would beating people, pepper spraying, when this, again, this was nonviolent protest — people expressing solidarity with unjust and illegitimate torture of a concentration camp. People were running, people were helping each other, and today people came back stronger. I spoke last night, and people were appreciative. It’s very important for us to take a stand, but a handful of us is not going to defeat this. Repression is gonna be part of fighting fascism, but when we were in Washington, D.C., for the November protests, we had that chant: When they attack, we rally more people and come right back!
This is a moment for that, and so that’s what we were saying, is that today has got to be even bigger, and we also have to confront… I said this earlier, but this is in a context of something bigger. Concentration camps are the logical conclusion of a fascist regime that is consolidating power, and if we don’t drive out the regime, you’re not gonna stop this. We have to stand up against it. We can’t accept it. We have to go bigger, and we have to go bolder, and we have to rally the decent people in this unrelenting resistance…nonviolent resistance that Refuse Fascism has called for. That’s our only hope right now, and the window to be able to do that is closing, so now’s the time.
Sam Goldman 16:49
One of the things that struck me when I was listening to some of the reports from last night, and listening to Governor Mikey Sherrill, as she talked about, this is preventing ICE from doing the work — it will be under our eyes, so it doesn’t escalate. It doesn’t escalate? You are clearly beating people up. You’re saying it’s good to be pepper spraying people who are exercising their First Amendment right. And you’re saying that this is about protecting their First Amendment right. I saw one commentator who put it so well that was like: Can you point to me where, in the Constitution, where does it say free speech zones? Where does it say that there are places where your First Amendment rights exist and places where it doesn’t exist? There is definitely a need for the legal community as well to have something to say about this, and to be joining this struggle.
Refuse Fascism NYC 19:16
People were not having it either. I have to say they did try to get people to go into these little First Amendment gates, and people were like: I don’t think so. So that was also part of it.
Sam Goldman 25:30
I think I saw, like, them moving the barricades and stuff. I was thinking about what you were saying about the going bigger and both the need for more people to be coming out and joining this, and going bigger in the sense of taking on the whole of this regime, and going bigger in the demand that the regime must go. I was wondering how you see what’s happening at Delaney Hall reflecting the nature and direction of the Trump regime as a whole? You spoke some about the concentration camps being the logical conclusion of this. I don’t know if there’s anything more that you wanted to say in relation to that, especially about the repression of the people outside?
Refuse Fascism NYC 26:15
‘Fascism’ is a word that gets thrown around, but it’s not a curse word. It actually means something very specific, and it is a change in how society is governed. People have seen ICE. ICE has existed before Trump. There were immigrants that were terrorized, under Democrats and Republicans alike. Some of the people outside did not actually recognize the difference between what had already existed before and where this is going now. Part of what is different now is that fascism actually closes in on people’s ability to be able to speak out, to be able to oppose it, and forecloses that.
Not only is it that you’re rounding up immigrants — if you look at the website that just came out that declared there are aliens among us — this is genocidal. We’re not just talking about oppression and bad things, which this country has done, but we are talking about the eradication of, not just the immigrants, but trans people, and also the decent people, and anybody who sides with them; the eradication of anybody that does not go along with the Trump program. This is not a world that people want to live in. You have half the country that is not for this. So, how do you get half the country to go along with something that is fundamentally opposed to their basic sense of values, and a lot of what they held dear and understood about this country?
Well, it’s gonna be imposed on people, and it’s gonna be imposed from violence. The midterm elections… He doesn’t care about that, you know. They already, the Supreme Court, purged the Voting Rights Act. This is gonna be violently imposed. This is why these camps exist. Not just for the immigrants. They’re building and preparing for an extermination of a population. Also, within this, because this is such a drastic change, because this is such a big polarization in this country. It is a moment where, if we lead people to understand where this is going, but the only solution is the power of the people demanding removal, we can create a situation in which this regime is removed. It’s in those times that are so, so fraught, that you need leadership and you need organization, and you need people who have clarity on what this is, where this is going, and what must be done about it. And that’s Refuse Fascism.
Sam Goldman 28:28
As we close out the conversation, I do want to ask you…everybody who hears this is like: Okay, so what do I do? It makes sense that people are asking that. Maybe I’m wrong, but I’m seeing that there are people outside Delaney Hall, but it’s not like thousands and thousands. If you could talk a little bit about what you think would change things in this moment, and the impact of getting this demand: Trump Must Go Now! out at this time.
Refuse Fascism NYC 28:57
A big thing that holds people back…there’s two things: 1) me, me, me, me, me, me. But with the hunger strikers have thrown down a gauntlet. When you have people, human beings, who are being threatened with forced feeding with a tube in their nose from Homan, and you’re thinking about me, me, me, you become a good German, you lose your own humanity when you’re somebody that goes along with it. That’s what we have to tell people. It’s not just you’re closing your eyes to what’s going on, you are losing your humanity, and you’re becoming something that you don’t want to be.
We look at the German people, and we judge them, they didn’t know half of what we know now. To go along with it, to not feel the compulsion to get out there and do something, is… I don’t think that you can call yourself a justice-loving person in this moment. I think you don’t get to call yourself that. That’s one thing, if you’re not feeling the hunger to get out there. And 2) you know, as somebody was talking to me about other places where there’s been anti-fascist movements, and how people used to have graffiti symbols that they would put everywhere — I’m not saying that’s what we should do, but — one of the points of the graffiti symbols was it let people know that there is resistance, that there [are] people standing up, that they’re not alone, that they’re not isolated, and it gave people heart.
We have that symbol in the stickers, the Trump Must Go Now! stickers. Don’t underestimate getting those out everywhere now. Then the third thing that people can really do [3)] is raise funds and donate. If you can organize busses and make it easy for people that go to the places where they need to go, that actually makes a big difference, to be able to have funds. People have been donating for supplies, to have the gas masks and all of this. I think that those three things: 1) Don’t lose your humanity. 2) Get this demand out everywhere. Let the people know that we are here, and you’re going to break their isolation, and we’re going to break their fear. And 3) to donate and raise funds to scale this whole thing up. We’ve gotta scale up!
Oh, and the last thing I’ll say is that number 4) is that there’s these indictments that are up on the website, and a big part of what we have to do right now. Somebody said this, a younger person… You know, a lot of times people say: Your things are too long. People don’t read these. She said: You know, the problem is that there’s a lot of people who don’t like Trump, but actually they don’t understand enough. This is really true. This is what we’re up against. Alot of the people who hate what’s going on, they don’t understand the depth and the scope of what we’re confronting. They don’t understand where it’s going. Getting into that and being able to bring that out to people ourselves really matters. We need growing numbers of leaders who can go out and give a speech like that, or go agitate, or when CNN has a mic in your face on the news to be able to say what this is, and agitate and rally the public. We really need that right now.
Sam Goldman 31:45
Emma, thank you so much for coming and sharing your experience and your insight, and for being out there and calling forth the people that need to be manifesting this demand in their millions in the streets. Thanks so much.
Refuse Fascism NYC 32:01
Yeah, and thank you, Sam, for doing this podcast every week, and for everything that you do for this organization.
Sam Goldman 32:09
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